{"id":1126,"date":"2014-11-10T23:45:15","date_gmt":"2014-11-10T22:45:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.proof.de\/?p=1126"},"modified":"2020-05-08T13:08:05","modified_gmt":"2020-05-08T11:08:05","slug":"fogra-51-und-fogra-52-kein-start-in-sicht","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/fogra-51-und-fogra-52-kein-start-in-sicht\/","title":{"rendered":"Fogra 51 og Fogra 52: Ingen start i sigte."},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"kk-star-ratings kksr-auto kksr-align-right kksr-valign-top\" data-payload='{\"align\":\"right\",\"id\":\"1126\",\"slug\":\"default\",\"valign\":\"top\",\"ignore\":\"\",\"reference\":\"auto\",\"class\":\"\",\"count\":\"0\",\"legendonly\":\"\",\"readonly\":\"\",\"score\":\"0\",\"starsonly\":\"\",\"best\":\"5\",\"gap\":\"5\",\"greet\":\"Jetzt bewerten\",\"legend\":\"0\\\/5 - (0 votes)\",\"size\":\"24\",\"title\":\"Fogra 51 und Fogra 52: Kein Start in Sicht.\",\"width\":\"0\",\"_legend\":\"{score}\\\/{best} - ({count} {votes})\",\"font_factor\":\"1.25\"}'>\n            \n<div class=\"kksr-stars\">\n    \n<div class=\"kksr-stars-inactive\">\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"1\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"2\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"3\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"4\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"5\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n<div class=\"kksr-stars-active\" style=\"width: 0px;\">\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>\n                \n\n<div class=\"kksr-legend\" style=\"font-size: 19.2px;\">\n            <span class=\"kksr-muted\">Bed\u00f8m nu<\/span>\n    <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/fogra\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Fogra Forschungsgesellschaft Druck e.V., med hjemsted i M\u00fcnchen.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">Fogra<\/a> 51 og Fogra 52, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/optische-aufheller\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Optiske blegemidler er tils\u00e6tningsstoffer, som papirproducenter bruger til at f\u00e5 papiret til at se hvidere og lysere ud.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">optiske blegemidler<\/a> og de nye standarder for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/offsetdruck\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Offsettryk er en indirekte trykproces. Indirekte betyder, at trykformen og substratet ikke kommer i direkte kontakt med hinanden, men at der anvendes et medium som overf\u00f8ringsmiddel. Det er den mest udbredte trykproces. Der findes: - offsetpresser med arkf\u00f8de og - offsetpresser med rulle.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">Offsettryk<\/a> og <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/proof\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Et proof (korrekt: kontraktproof) er en ISO 12647-7-certificeret proofinganordning til den grafiske industri. Et korrekturtryk simulerer farven ved offset- eller dybtryk p\u00e5 en farve- og juridisk bindende m\u00e5de inden for de sn\u00e6vre tolerancer i ISO-standarden.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">Bevis<\/a>ing er i \u00f8jeblikket p\u00e5 alles l\u00e6ber. I bevissektoren er der indtil videre kun blevet fremsat meddelelser, men der er ingen reelle l\u00f8sninger i sigte. Allerede i 2013 blev der i forbindelse med omorganiseringen af <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/iso-12647\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"ISO 12647 er den ISO-standard, der er ansvarlig for udskrivning. Den definerer de vigtigste n\u00f8glepunkter for standardiseret, farvekonform udskrivning.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">ISO 12647<\/a>-2 til offsettryk, men selv her er det if\u00f8lge den <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/eci\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"ECI - European Color Initiative - er en gruppe af eksperter, der besk\u00e6ftiger sig med behandling af farvedata i udgivelsessystemer.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">ECI<\/a> Tidligst i 2015 med \"Henstilling om gennemf\u00f8relsen af den nye&nbsp;<abbr title=\"Den internationale organisation for standardisering\">ISO<\/abbr>&nbsp;12647-2 samt tilvejebringelse af tilsvarende manualer og arbejdsmaterialer\". Efter vores opfattelse er den nuv\u00e6rende status for Fogra 51 og Fogra 52 f\u00f8lgende:<\/p>\n<h2>Farveprofiler:<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>Fogra 51 og Fogra 52 afsluttede deres betafase i Fogra i maj 2014 og blev overdraget til ECI. De oplysninger og downloads, der er samlet der i \"Fred15\"-projektet, stammer imidlertid fra marts 2014, og der er ikke offentliggjort noget konkret p\u00e5 ECI-mailinglisten om de nye standarder siden da. S\u00e5 der er p\u00e5 nuv\u00e6rende tidspunkt ingen dato for offentligg\u00f8relsen af de endelige profiler, manualer og arbejdsmaterialer. Fogra, ECI, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/ugra\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"UGRA er et ekspertisecenter for medie- og trykteknologi.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">UGRA<\/a> og <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/bvdm\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Bundesverband Druck und Medien e.V. (bvdm) er paraplyorganisation for den tyske trykkeribranche.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">bvdm<\/a> fortsat arbejde sammen om de nye standarder.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Korrekturpapirer:<\/h2>\n<figure id=\"attachment_1131\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-1131\" style=\"width: 252px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/blog1.proofen.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/11\/Bildschirmfoto-2014-11-11-um-12.33.28.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-1131\" src=\"https:\/\/blog1.proofen.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/11\/Bildschirmfoto-2014-11-11-um-12.33.28-262x300.png\" alt=\"ONE Technologies: Det korrekturpapir til Fogra 51, som blev annonceret tilbage i maj, er stadig ikke tilg\u00e6ngeligt.\" width=\"262\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/11\/Bildschirmfoto-2014-11-11-um-12.33.28-262x300.png 262w, https:\/\/www.proof.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/11\/Bildschirmfoto-2014-11-11-um-12.33.28-897x1024.png 897w, https:\/\/www.proof.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/11\/Bildschirmfoto-2014-11-11-um-12.33.28.png 1108w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 262px) 100vw, 262px\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-1131\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">ONE Technologies: Det korrekturpapir til Fogra 51, der blev annonceret i maj, er stadig ikke tilg\u00e6ngeligt.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<ul>\n<li>ONE Technologies annoncerede allerede i maj 2014 det certificerede proofpapir \"ONE Proof 51 Paper SATIN\" ... som desv\u00e6rre stadig ikke er tilg\u00e6ngeligt nogen steder i november.<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/gmg\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"GMG Color er en virksomhed med base i T\u00fcbingen i Tyskland, som har gjort sig et navn med udviklingen af software til farvestyring. I mere end 25 \u00e5r har GMG Color udviklet adskillige produkter til kommercielle brugere, lige fra printerdrivere til kompleks proofing-software.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">GMG<\/a> annoncerede i oktober pr\u00f8vetrykspapiret \"GMG ProofPaper semimatte 250 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/oba\/\" target=\"_self\" title='OBA er en forkortelse for &quot;Optical Brightning Agents&quot; eller &quot;Optical Brightners&quot;.' class=\"encyclopedia\">OBA<\/a>\"som heller ikke er tilg\u00e6ngelig nogen steder.<\/li>\n<li>Ogs\u00e5 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/efi\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Electronics For Imaging Inc. er en amerikansk virksomhed og producent af et af verdens f\u00f8rende proofing-systemer: EFI Colorproof XF, siden 2013: Fiery XF. EFI er en leverand\u00f8r af l\u00f8sninger til store tryksystemer, RIP&#039;er og farveh\u00e5ndteringsl\u00f8sninger som f.eks. proofing.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">EFI<\/a> arbejder p\u00e5 nye <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/proofs\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"I trykkeribranchen henviser pr\u00f8vetryk (eller proofprints) til den farve- og juridisk bindende simulering af et trykresultat til kontrolform\u00e5l. Den standard, der er ansvarlig for korrekturtryk, er ISO 12647-7:2016, dvs. den aktuelle revision fra 2016.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">Beviser<\/a>ubstrat, men navngivning, priser og udgivelsesdatoer er ikke kendt.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>M\u00e5lingsteknologi:<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>E<a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/pso\/\" target=\"_self\" title='PSO st\u00e5r for &quot;ProcessStandard Offset&quot;, en standard, der er udviklet i f\u00e6llesskab af Fogra og den tyske brancheorganisation for trykkeri- og medieindustrien. ProcessStandard Offset er en samling af normer og standardiseringer for offsettryk.' class=\"encyclopedia\">pso<\/a>n meddelte i august, at fra den 1. september 2014 vil alle Epson Spectroproofer-m\u00e5leapparater kun blive leveret med det nye ILS 30-m\u00e5lehoved. Desv\u00e6rre kan den nye Spectroproofer endnu ikke k\u00f8bes som tilbeh\u00f8r.<\/li>\n<li>Mens alle tidligere kilder har rapporteret, at den nye Spectroproofer kan m\u00e5le Fogra 51 og 52, dvs. M1 og M2, men ikke Fogra 51 og 52, dvs.&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/isocoatedv2\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"ISOCoatedV2 er den mest udbredte profil i den europ\u00e6iske trykkeriindustri. Den st\u00e5r for den mest almindelige trykproces: Offsettryk p\u00e5 mat eller blankt billedtrykpapir.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">ISOCoatedV2<\/a> eller M0 mere, taler EFI om at arbejde med <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/fiery\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Fiery er en produktserie fra virksomheden EFI - Electronics for Imaging. Mens navnet Fiery tidligere kun var kendt fra controllere til printere, s\u00e6lges der i dag ogs\u00e5 proof- og produktionssystemer under navnet Fiery.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">Ildsj\u00e6lende<\/a> XF 6.1 og Spectroproofer ILS 30 for at kunne underst\u00f8tte alle m\u00e5letilstande, dvs. Fogra 51 og 52 og ISOCoatedV2 p\u00e5 samme tid ... desv\u00e6rre er hverken Fiery XF 6.1. tilg\u00e6ngelig endnu eller Spectroproofer ... men if\u00f8lge EFI er de i \u00f8jeblikket ved at teste alle 3 m\u00e5letilstande ... M0, M1 og M2 med den nye Spectroproofer ... det lyder lovende.<!--more--><\/li>\n<li>Det vides endnu ikke, om de tidligere Spectroproofer-huse kan ombygges med nye m\u00e5leapparater og bagplader. Alle billeder af den nye Spectroproofer ILS 30, der cirkulerer p\u00e5 nettet, viser Spectroproofer-kabinettet fra Epson 4900, men det er sandsynligvis et tilf\u00e6lde.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Konklusion:<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>De nye Fogra 51- og Fogra 52-standarder er blevet udarbejdet og dr\u00f8ftet i lang tid. N\u00f8glepunkterne i de nye standarder, s\u00e5som det generelle m\u00e5l, papirklasser osv., er kendt, og betaversioner af profilerne er i oml\u00f8b, men de endelige profiler er ikke tilg\u00e6ngelige p\u00e5 nuv\u00e6rende tidspunkt.<\/li>\n<li>Producenter af m\u00e5leudstyr og korrekturpapir er opm\u00e6rksomme p\u00e5 den aktuelle udvikling og har annonceret tilsvarende l\u00f8sninger, som endnu ikke kan k\u00f8bes, men som alle kan k\u00f8bes fra november 2014. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/led\/\" target=\"_self\" title='En LED er en &quot;light-emitting diode&quot; og st\u00e5r i den grafiske branche for det nye &quot;LED&quot;-lys, som har erstattet \u00e6ldre lyskilder som neonr\u00f8r og wolframlamper. Neonr\u00f8r er hovedsageligt kendt fra D50- eller D65-standardlysomr\u00e5det, mens wolframlyskilder hovedsageligt blev brugt i farvem\u00e5lingsenheder som spektrofotometre og farvem\u00e5lere....' class=\"encyclopedia\">led<\/a>er kun annonceret.<\/li>\n<li>Softwareproducenter som EFI og GMG arbejder p\u00e5 at implementere de nye krav og har annonceret l\u00f8sninger, som endnu ikke er tilg\u00e6ngelige.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Hos Proof.de ved vi heller ikke p\u00e5 nuv\u00e6rende tidspunkt, hvordan og hvorn\u00e5r vi kan gennemf\u00f8re overgangen, og hvordan vi vil g\u00f8re det. Hvad ang\u00e5r m\u00e5leteknologi, kan vi allerede nu m\u00e5le de nye standarder med en ekstern X-Rite I1 Pro2 og har ogs\u00e5 indl\u00e6st profilerne i Fogra-beta-fasen (FOGRA51beta M1 og M0 eller FOGRA52beta M1 og M0) og fulgt udviklingen. P\u00e5 grund af manglen p\u00e5 tilg\u00e6ngelige bevisdokumenter er vi dog i \u00f8jeblikket ikke i stand til at tage yderligere skridt. S\u00e5 snart de nye profiler, m\u00e5leteknikker og papirer foreligger, vil de ogs\u00e5 kunne f\u00e5s hos os s\u00e5 hurtigt som muligt.<\/p>\n<h2>Addendum 17.11.2014:<\/h2>\n<p>Mario Drechsler fra Highendmedia p\u00e5pegede med rette over for mig, at Bas<a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/icc\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"International Color Consortium, ICC, er en international komit\u00e9, der er ansvarlig for standardisering af farveprofiler.&nbsp;\" class=\"encyclopedia\">icc<\/a>olor med den <a title=\"Certproof OBA 120 mat\" href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20210126182308\/http:\/\/www.basiccolor.de\/certproof-120-oba-matt\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Certproof OBA 120 mat<\/a> r\u00e5der over et bevispapir, der er egnet til bevis for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/naturpapier\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Henviser til alle papirer, der ikke er blevet overfladebehandlet med en coating. Ubestr\u00f8get papir kaldes ogs\u00e5 ubestr\u00f8get papir.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">Naturligt papir<\/a>med optisk <a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/aufheller\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"Lysemidler (ogs\u00e5 kendt som optiske lysemidler eller OBA&#039;er) er kemiske forbindelser, der bruges i trykkeribranchen til at forbedre papirets lysstyrke og hvidhed. De absorberer UV-lys og udsender det som synligt bl\u00e5t lys, hvilket giver papiret en &quot;lysere&quot; og &quot;friskere&quot; hvid tone. Denne effekt \u00f8ger...\" class=\"encyclopedia\">Opkl\u00e6bende middel<\/a>n i henhold til M0 og M1. Det blev testet som en del af certificeringen af Basiccolor PPS-testtrykssystemet af<a title=\"Fogra-certificering\" href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20200804024532\/http:\/\/www.fogra.org\/plugin.php?Firma_30=&amp;Druckbedingung_31=&amp;Drucker_33=&amp;Substrat_34=Certproof+OBA&amp;search_mv=&amp;mv_submit=Finden&amp;mv_submit=Finden&amp;mv_id=3&amp;extern_meta=x&amp;menuid=110&amp;onemv=3&amp;template=mv%2Ftemplates%2Fmv_search_front_onemv.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"> Fogra-certificeret<\/a>. Da jeg spurgte om tilg\u00e6ngeligheden af GMG-papirerne, har jeg endnu ikke modtaget noget nyt fra GMG.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Addendum 9.12.2014:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>I mellemtiden har GMG svaret p\u00e5 min henvendelse g<a href=\"https:\/\/www.proof.de\/da\/lexikon\/ean\/\" target=\"_self\" title=\"EAN = europ\u00e6isk artikelnummer. EAN blev erstattet af GTIN = Global Trade Identification Number i 2009.\" class=\"encyclopedia\">ean<\/a>og jeg var i stand til at spille en rolle som hende p\u00e5 stedet.&nbsp;<a href=\"file:\/\/\/Users\/dstanek\/Downloads\/GMG_ProofMedia_Brochure-1.pdf\">GMG ProofPaper semimatte 250 OBA<\/a>&nbsp;afhentning p\u00e5 stedet. Og ogs\u00e5 for den <a href=\"http:\/\/shop.print-c.de\/index.php?k=169\">ONE Proof Paper Jeg har fundet en butik nu<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Fogra 51 og Fogra 52, optiske lysnende midler og de nye standarder for offset-tryk og proofing er i \u00f8jeblikket p\u00e5 alles l\u00e6ber. Indtil videre er der kun kommet meddelelser om proofing, men ingen reelle l\u00f8sninger er i sigte. Allerede i 2013 blev den nye version af ISO 12647-2 for offset-tryk vedtaget, men ogs\u00e5 her forventes if\u00f8lge ECI f\u00f8rst i 2015 at der kommer en \u201eanbefaling til implementering af den nye ISO 12647-2 samt tilvejebringelse af relevante vejledninger og arbejdsredskaber\u201c. 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